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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:05 am

While replying to a question about an inexpensive way to get stellar lead guitar TONE in the GuitarZone.com FORUM, I had the idea that the Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System™ has great potential as a solution, albeit with a few enhancements, which mostly is a matter of adding a Behringer V-Amp PRO electric guitar processor and perhaps using a pair of Kustom KPC215P Dual 15" Powered PA Speakers rather than a pair of Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers, although the choice of loudspeaker units depends on how loud the lead guitar rig needs to be . . .

[NOTE: For some unknown reason, it usually costs significantly less to get the loudspeaker units one at a time rather than specifically as a pair, which as best as I can determine is an aspect of what I like to call the "National I.Q. Test" . . . ]

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Kustom KPC215P Dual 15" Powered PA Speaker ~ $250 (US)

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Behringer DEQ2496 Ultra-Curve Pro Mastering Processor ~ $300 (US)

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Behringer V-Amp PRO ~ $140 (US)

Depending on which loudspeaker units are used, the lead guitar rig costs approximately $750 or $1,100 (US), once you add a small rack cabinet and some guitar cords to connect everything, where the flavor that has the Kustom KPC215P Dual 15" Powered PA Speakers should be significantly louder than a Marshall full stack, since among other things it has four 15" woofers and two midrange/high-frequency horns . . .

The primary role of the Behringer DEQ2496 Ultra-Curve Pro Mastering Processor in this instance is to equalize and calibrate the loudspeaker units to a flat curve, which then maps to the emulated amplifier and loudspeaker cabinet combinations provided by the Behringer V-Amp PRO being as realistic as possible, although a secondary role can be to provide other types of equalization to tailor the TONE of the loudspeaker units more specifically . . .

Behringer stopped making the rack-mount version of the Behringer V-Amp PRO, but I found one and ordered it, since I am intrigued by this strategy . . .

Yet another reason for using a pair of loudspeaker units is that the Behringer processors are stereo, which maps to having a stereo lead guitar rig . . .

This strategy also can be used with a computer-based lead guitar rig, where the work is done in AmpliTube 3, which also is stereo . . .

Lots of FUN! :D

P. S. The importance of the Behringer DEQ2496 Ultra-Curve Pro Mastering Processor is to get the frequency response of the loudspeaker units flat, since this makes it possible for all the subtle TONE nuances of the Behringer V-Amp PRO and AmpliTube 3 to be heard, which is not the case when a traditional guitar amplifier and loudspeaker cabinet is used, unless it is equalized to have a flat response, which makes sense if you ponder it for a while, really . . .

Really! :ugeek:

P. P. S. If you happen to be one of the folks who has been tricked by marketeers into thinking that the only guitar rigs which have stellar TONE are the ones that are officially endorsed by a famous lead guitar player, then if it helps you can pretend that this guitar rig is officially endorsed by Monkey Boy Floyd™, the lead guitar player for Tyrone Deluxe and the Funky Monkey Mind Chickens™, which is yet another of my virtual festival of pretend musical groups, which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous! :lol:
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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:24 am

As it developed, I spoke a bit too soon when I wrote that I got the last Behringer V-Amp PRO in the US, because rather than arriving on Friday, what arrived instead was an email informing me that it was out of stock, so after doing a bit of research I revised the strategy and ordered a Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO, which is available in the US . . .

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Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO ~ $180 (US)

Bass V-Amp Pro (Behringer)

There are some differences, but the guitar amplifier and loudspeaker cabinet modeling looks to be the same, although instead of being "echo", there is "delay", which is fine with me, since I have echo units that I can use if I need more echo . . .

One thing that is different is the "ULTRABASS" feature, which as best as I can determine is like an Octava for lead guitar, in the sense that it generates bass frequencies that are one octave lower, which for the low-pitch "E" string on an electric guitar maps to the same frequency as the low-pitch "E" string of an electric bass guitar, but for an electric bass guitar the "ULTRABASS" feature generates a note that is nearly in the inaudible range, where one octave lower for the low-pitch "E" string on an electric bass guitar at standard tuning ("Concert A" = 440-Hz) will be 20.602-Hz, which certainly is intriguing with respect to the full range of normal hearing (20-Hz to 20,000-Hz) . . .

Another interesting aspect of the Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro is that it has the ability to set a "crossover" frequency which determines when special effects are applied, such that frequencies below the "crossover" point are unaltered but frequencies above the "crossover" point have special effects applied, where the range of the "crossover" is from 41-Hz to 600-Hz in predefined increments, so I can set it for electric bass guitar or for electric lead guitar, since 600-Hz is higher than all the notes on an electric guitar from the open position to the 9th or perhaps 10th fret, other than harmonics and overtones, of course . . .

In some respects, this is a secondary project, but it fits nicely into the grand scheme of everything, because I read somewhere that the Beatles were intrigued by the deep bass TONE on a Wilson Pickett song and the audio engineers at Abbey Road Studios devised a way to use a woofer as a microphone for Paul McCartney's bass amplifier, since the thinking was that a woofer would be able to capture the truly deep bass frequencies better than a studio microphone, which maps to my recollection of the way the bass sounded on a few Beatles records many years ago, which is entirely different from the way everything sounds in the remastered digital versions, since among other things (a) the amplifiers many years ago had vacuum tubes and (b) the records were vinyl, which changes the way deep bass is done . . .

Doing deep bass in the digital universe appears to require a lot more work than in the analog universe, and the best I have done so far has required using a combination of a Hofner "Beatle" electric bass, bowed contrabass sections, and deep bass synthesizers, via SampleTank (Bass Collection 2), Miroslav Philharmonik, and Sonik Synth 2, respectively, so the Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO looks to provide the foundation for some interesting experiments separately from everything that happens on the computer, which is key aspect of the primary project and involves ensuring that the studio monitoring system is as correct as possible separately and independently of all the computer stuff, which then according to the best of the many hypotheses will make it possible to do the computer stuff correctly . . .

Lots of FUN! :ugeek:
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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:52 am

As a bit of follow-up on the secondary project and the way it fits into the grand scheme of everything, I am planning to do a major upgrade for The Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster®, so that instead of having only two channels, it will have six channels and full MIDI . . .

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The Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster® ~ Two Channel Guitar

I am adding three more Seymour Duncan pickups (for a total of six pickups) and a GraphTech "GHOST" MIDI system with piezoelectric bridge saddles, which also has regular signal output options via the "Acousti-Phonic EQ'd for Guitar" module . . .

GHOST Kits (GraphTech)

This is a rather complex set of modifications, but it is coming along nicely, and I have nearly all the technical information necessary to design the various circuits and to determine the optimal practical configuration for the various controls and switches, which includes using aerospace style cables and connectors for the output signals, as well as doing additional routing on the guitar body to create the space underneath the chrome pick guard required for all the electronic modules and so forth . . .

The advantage of doing it this way is that I will be able to control the various options from the guitar via switches, with a bit of help from a MIDI controller pedal for the MIDI stuff . . .

Among other things, this will make it practical to have several separate and independent guitar rigs, including traditional types of guitar rigs (which is where the Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO comes into play), a computer-based IK Multimedia virtual instrument MIDI rig, and a computer-based AmpliTube 3 rig . . .

Doing experiments is important, because experiments provide clues to what works in a practical way, where one of the things I discovered after experimenting with the current version of The Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster® is that it has so many different configuration possibilities that there is no easy way to remember all of them, hence the new design strategy is to use a vastly simpler design for the switching options, where my current thinking is that having perhaps six distinct sounds probably is both sufficient and practical, since I can have a few more distinct sounds via the Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO (MIDI), IK Multimedia virtual instruments (MIDI), and AmpliTube 3 rigs, which I should be able to control in an easily remembered and practical way with some MIDI foot controllers, where for AmpliTube 3 I will use the StealthPedal (IK Multimedia), perhaps along with a MIDI foot controller that has switches for presets, if this is possible . . .

The entire thing is vastly complex, but (a) there should be a practical way to use it productively, and (b) it needs to sound good when recorded, mixed, and mastered, which is fabulous . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:40 am

Considering my vast knowledge of acoustic physics and the fact that I have been working on this project for a month or so, one cannot help but wonder, "Why is it taking so long?", which is something I have been wondering myself, really . . .

Really!

And while I actually know a lot about acoustic physics, a good bit of the information is parked somewhere in my vast unconscious library, which generally maps to taking a while to retrieve, so what happens is that I appear to be doing nothing for a while, when actually I am working on something complex without having any immediately conscious idea what it might be until it appears, at which point it makes sense and is one of the reasons I tend to let everything happen naturally, because over the long run doing it this way works, and there is a bit of logic to it . . .

After looking at the 2.8-GHz 8-core Mac Pro and the RJ-45 ethernet cable, as well as the signal processor rack next to the computer monitor for a while, and knowing what is involved in routing cables, I decided to get a leather executive chair, which accomplished something and postponed messing with cables for a while, which some folks might view as being a bit of laziness, but so what . . .

So what!

Then I wandered into getting the Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO, which in some respects also was a diversion, except that it makes sense and fits nicely into the grand scheme of everything, which then led to doing a bit of checking to determine the cables I need to connect everything, as well as having the idea for doing a patch bay, so that I can use all the rack-mount signal processors with the MOTU 828mkII without needing to use external mixers, which among other things is what the MOTU folks advised over a year ago when I got a bit of technical support regarding signal strength, which after doing some tests led to realizing that impedance mismatches in the external mixers were causing problems, hence the suggestion to connect everything directly to the MOTU 828mkII (microphones, external signal processors, electric bass, electric guitar, keyboards, and so forth), which is possible, since I do everything myself and never actually need more than two microphones with XLR connectors or two TRS electric bass, electric guitar, or keyboard cables at a time . . .

So, after pondering everything for a while, the next phase of the project is to make a map of the inputs and outputs of the MOTU 828mkII, external signal processors, as well as the Behringer ULTRACURVE PRO DEQ2496 and the Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO, to determine the specific patch bay requirements . . .

Intuitively, one might think, "How complex can it be?", and the answer is that some of the devices have balanced TRS inputs and outputs, but the other devices have balanced XLR inputs and outputs, and some of the devices have MIDI inputs and outputs, as well, which overall maps to being a bit more complex than one might imagine, although it mostly is a matter of (a) doing a matrix type of mapping and (b) determining the practical way to be able to do various configurations via an XLR/TRS/MIDI patch bay . . .

For the most part, I do everything via software, but there are times when I need to use an external guitar rig with an elaborate set of effects pedals, since it it the only practical way to do certain types of lead guitar effects, where the primary effects rig has two DigitTech Whammy pedals and two wah-wah pedals, where each channel of The Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster® feeds its own DigiTech Whammy pedal and wah-wah pedal, which in turn feed separate sets of cascaded echo units and other stuff, which is not very practical to do with AmpliTube 3 when the Mac Pro doubles as the DAW workstation . . .

Something similar happens with vocals, and while I generally use two microphones and sing "dry", followed by doing elaborate vocal processing with the recorded tracks, it is not so easy to "work" the microphone and effects when all I hear is the "dry" singing, which is the only practical way to do it when the Mac Pro is doubling as the DAW workstation, so while I am doing the patch bay for the studio monitoring system and studio guitar rig, I think it makes sense to solve two additional problems, one of which is to be able to do a reasonable amount of external real-time vocal processing and the other of which is to start using the Behringer POWERPLAY PRO-XL HA4700 headphone amplifier, so that I can hear what I am playing and singing and at least some of the already recorded tracks, which in some respects is the consequence of a rather odd experiment, which was based on the idea that the greatest Zen archer was blind, hence was not distracted visually . . .

On the other hand, it is no more odd than composing and singing melodies in real-time on the fly and only recording them one time, which I did for several years based on the mistaken idea that Paul McCartney did this, which as I discovered recently is not what McCartney does, but so what . . .

So what!

Composing and playing lead guitar solos in real-time on the fly without actually being able to hear the lead guitar is a bit strange, but it certainly avoids having to deal with determining whether a note sounds "good", "bad", or "indifferent", and after doing it this way for a few years, the mapping of what you hear in your mind and what you play improves significantly, and this might be the only practical way to rewire the Frontal Eye Fields (FEF) region of the brain, which as best as I can determine is the fundamental requirement for playing extended sequences of notes very rapidly on lead guitar or any other instrument, because excluding some type of idiot savant thing, it is not practical to give a lot of conscious attention to each note when you are playing 10 to 20 notes per second, and in many respects it is is easier when you do not need to hear with your ears what you are playing, since hearing it in your mind is completely sufficient, provided the mapping is accurate, for sure . . .

This fast brain pathway also provides auditory input at even shorter times starting at 24 ms and being affected by auditory characteristics at 30–60 ms.


[SOURCE: Frontal Eye Fields (wikipedia) ]

For sure!

The Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO arrived, and the next phase of the project is focused on (a) consolidating the external signal processors and headphone amplifier, (b) doing the patch bay, and (c) moving the Mac Pro, display, keyboard, and mouse to the new mixing platform, at which time I can calibrate the new studio monitoring system and switch from doing the surreal Zen lead guitar and singing experiments to focusing on reality, which should be interesting, since in addition to everything else I have been doing over the past year, yet another ongoing project is to double or triple my lead guitar soloing speed by not playing any lead guitar solos, which based on the results of a similar experiment with grand piano looks to be quite productive, even though it makes absolutely no intuitive sense, which is fabulous . . .

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[NOTE: It took approximately 20 years of thinking about playing grand piano but never actually playing a grand piano to discover how to do this, although perhaps once every few years I would do a quick test for a few minutes with a real grand piano to see how the experiment was progressing. For reference, this is played on a KORG Triton Workstation (88-keys) using a stereo grand piano and synthesized fog preset, and it is one part composed and played in real-time on the fly, but it is played through two sets of cascaded echo units and there is a bit of post processing to do the monaural to stereo spread stuff, and it is the first and only take. And it is mixed specifically for headphone listening. The strategy worked for grand piano, so I think it will work for lead guitar, since the reality is that you cannot play all those notes so rapidly and think about it in any immediately conscious way . . . ]

"Starlight" (The Surf Whammys) -- Kick Drum, Electric Bass Guitar, Grand Piano with Synthesized Fog -- MP3 (9.6MB, 192-kbps, approximately 6 minutes and 59 seconds)

Fabulous! :D
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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:47 pm

I did a bit of research on patch bays, and it appears that there are plenty of TRS patch bays and a few XLR patch bays but only a limited number of MIDI patch bays . . .

For what I want to do, I need "straight through" patch bays, since the general idea is to avoid needing to mess with connecting and routing cables to the back of the various signal processors in the rack, which maps to running a short cable from the back of each connector of a signal processor to the back of the patch bay, which then makes it available from the front of the patch bay where I can connect stuff easily . . .

Most of the connectors are balanced TRS connectors, but there are a few XLR connectors and some MIDI Din 5 connectors, so from one perspective it makes a bit of sense to have a patch bay for each of the three types of connectors, but when one considers cost, this is not very practical on a low budget, hence after a bit of pondering I decided to focus on a TRS patch bay and then perhaps later to consider getting an XLR and MIDI patch bay, although rack space is yet another factor, and each patch bay is 1 rack unit, which makes it a bit more complex . . .

Most balanced TRS patch bays have three-position selector switches that determine whether a particular channel is Normal, Half-Thru, or Thru, but with the exception of the Samson "S-patch plus", which has three-positions on the front, the three-position switches are on the top of the units, so I am going to get the Samson unit . . .

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Samson "S-patch plus" ~ 48 Point Balanced TRS Patch Bay

And since there are only a handful of XLR connectors on the backs of the signal processors, the practical solution is to get some short XLR-to-TRS cables that will go inside the rack, but a few others will go from the front of the TRS patch bay to XLR microphone cables, which provides a nice solution for the XLR and TRS stuff . . .

I also found two "straight through" MIDI patch bays, one of which is custom made, and I can use one of them sooner or later to run the MIDI connectors from the backs of signal processors to the front of the rack, which makes a bit of sense, although not immediately, since the "straight through" MIDI patch bays are in the $200 (US) range, as contrasted to the Samson TRS patch bay, which is approximately $120 (US) . . .

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Signex CPM22M MIDI Patch Bay

I need to get some balanced TRS cables, which is yet another expense, but this is the way it works, and since I plan to use only a few signal processors, it will not require so many patch cables . . .

For reference, with vocals and electric guitar it is not so much a matter of (a) needing to use the external signal processors once everything is recorded as it is a matter of (b) needing to hear how the effects sound in real-time to be able to "work" them, since I can use the "dry" signals and do more precise effects on the computer after everything is recorded, although the "wet" signals also are recorded, with the difference being that with external signal processors there essentially is no latency, which is not the case with stacked, serialized, or chained VST effects plug-ins . . .

Everything takes time, but with external signal processors the latency is so small that everything essentially happens in real-time, which maps to being able to "work" it in real-time . . .

As an example, I recorded three monaural tracks of vocals for "(Baby You Were) Only Dreaming" (The Surf Whammys), but I used only one of them, and it is pitch-corrected with the Melodyne Editor (Celemony) and then enhanced with TrackPlug 5 (Wave Arts), CSR Classik Studio Reverb (IK Multimedia), and Timeless 2 (FabFilter Software Instruments), along with one or two of the advanced compressing and brickwall limiting processors from T-RackS 3 Deluxe, which works nicely but happens after the fact, so all the "working" is done when mixing rather than when singing, which is fabulous . . .

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"The Absinthe Drinker" (Viktor Oliva, 1901, Cafe Slavia, Prague)

[NOTE: This is best enjoyed when listening with headphones, at least until I finish the studio monitoring project and do a calibrated studio monitor mix. The instruments are done with music notation and IK Multimedia virtual instruments in NOTION 3 (Notion Music) and then recorded in Digital Performer 7.24 (MOTU) via ReWire (Propellerhead Software) as soundbites, at which point I do the special effects, vocals, and lead guitar in Digital Performer, although currently there is no lead guitar in this song . . . ]

"(Baby You Were) Only Dreaming" (The Surf Whammys) -- MP3 (9.2MB, 276-kbps [VBR], approximately 4 minutes and 26 seconds)

Fabulous! :D

Whether it is better to focus on doing "dry" vocals rather than to be able to do reasonably representative "wet" vocals is another matter, but being able to do either one with a minimal amount of configuration and setup has distinct advantages, which is where the patch bay comes into play, because everything is done from the front of the rack, which makes it much easier to do quickly . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:57 am

I did a bit more research on balanced patch bay cords, and I like the GLS Audio patch bay cords, which come in saturated primary colors reminiscent of Crayola® crayons and have metal connectors . . .

[NOTE: I already have a virtual festival of unbalanced TS patch cords (monaural), which basically are standard guitar cords, but they are pastel colors, so the balanced TRS cords being saturated primary colors is quite convenient and is an easy way to determine visually whether a cord is balanced or unbalanced and fits nicely with the visual aspect of the Japanese "kanban" strategy, where an example is a section of a factory that makes plywood shelves. Sheets of plywood are stacked on the floor in an area that is outlined with red tape, and there is a line of red tape on the wall. The red tape outline on the floor indicates visually where the sheets of plywood are stacked, and the line of red tape on the wall indicates when the quantity of sheets of plywood is getting low, hence the warehouse workers need to bring and stack more sheets of plywood. There also is another line of tape that shows the maximum height to stack the sheets of plywood, which overall makes the system self-explanatory, since there are other thing like "kanban cards" that provide information on the type of plywood; its location; how to reorder or replenish it; and so forth. Most of that stuff does not apply to managing and using cords for a patch bay, but I like the idea of being able to determine which cords to use based on color, since it is easier than messing with alphanumeric labeling systems. If the TC-Helicon "Voiceworks" vocal process is blue, then its patch bay cords are blue, and so forth and so on, where this is a simplified version of the vastly elaborate and obsessive surreal system used at Abbey Road Studios (EMI) when the Beatles were recording, where the professional engineers and managers literally had a detailed set of guidelines, rules, and specifications for everything to the nearly absurd level actually of having a set of guidelines, rules, and specifications for the proper way a "pop singer" is expected to stand and to sing, which with a bit a paraphrasing included the guidance that the "pop singer" shall avoid unnecessary dancing and fidgeting, since maintaining the required 5" to 7" distance from the microphone was very important to getting correct recording levels, all of which is explained in the fascinatingly detailed book "Recording the Beatles" (Curvebender Publishing), which certainly mapped to several epiphanies regarding the imagined "party" atmosphere when the Beatles were recording, since my general perspective is that people who work on nuclear missiles probably would find the Abbey Road Studios (EMI) guidelines, rules, and specifications a bit on the nutty side of obsessive, except that when you ponder it for a while, it makes excellent sense to have everything fully defined and controlled with recording and producing a musical group that generates sales in the billions of dollars, which overall makes it like the "formula" for Coca-Cola® or Original Recipe Kentucky Fried Chicken® . . . ]

"Recording the Beatles" (Curvebender Publishing)

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Balanced TRS Male to TRS Male ~ GLS Audio

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Balanced XLR Female to TRS Male ~ GLS Audio

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Balanced XLR Male to TRS Male ~ GLS Audio

The cost approximately $5 (US) each, which is very reasonable considering the amount of work required to do it yourself, plus the cost of cables and connectors . . .

I like color-coded cords, since this makes it possible to assign a specific color to each signal processor, and I have white and red electrical tape that I use to wrap the connector sleeves where white maps to "Left" and red maps to "Right" . . .

On the patch bay, the top row is "Output" and the bottom row is "Input", and I can use color-coded dots to identify the signal processors, which basically is a Japanese "kanban" strategy, where the general idea is that the system is self-explanatory simply by looking at it . . .

[NOTE: The balanced TRS-to-TRS patch bay is 1 RU, where "RU" is the abbreviation for "Rack Unit" and refers to the height of the rack-mount device. And the standard convention is that the top row of a patch bay is for Outputs while the bottom row is for Inputs . . . ]

These are the rack-mount signal processors:

(1) TC-Helicon "Voiceworks" Vocal Processor ~ 2RU ~ Single Channel Input, Dual Channel Output

(2) Behringer Tube Composer ~ 2RU ~ Dual Channel Input, Dual Channel Output

(3) Soldano Space Box 6-Spring Tank Reverb ~ 3RU ~Single Channel Input, Single Channel Output

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(4) Alesis MidiVerb4 ~ 1RU ~ Dual Channel Input, Dual Channel Output

(5) Behringer Bass V-Amp PRO ~ 2RU ~ Single Channel Input, Dual Channel Output

(6) Behringer POWERPLAY PRO-XL HA4700 ~ 1RU ~4-Channel High-Power Headphones Mixing and Distribution Amplifier

(7) Behringer ULTRACURVE PRO DEQ2496 ~ 2RU ~ Ultra-High Precision 24-Bit/96 kHz Equalizer, Analyzer, Feedback Destroyer and Mastering Processor

(8) MOTU 828mkII Firewire Audio Interface ~ 1RU ~ 10 Analog Inputs (2 XLR/TRS on front panel, 8 TRS on back panel), 10 Analog Outputs (TRS on back panel)

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I have rack cases that are 10 RU high, which maps to needing to use two of them, and additionally maps to some of the patch bay interconnecting cords needing to be longer than 3 feet, which is fine, since cords are available in several lengths, and medium length cords (6 to 12 feet) they do not cost significantly more than short cords, and in some instances actually cost less than short cords. GLS Audio also has these cords in 25 to 50 feet lengths, but for two side-by-side racks I think that 6 to 10 feet long cords should be fine . . .

There also are two sets of stereo effects pedals that start with a monaural input but then are two-channel after the first unit, although they are mostly on a shelf, except for the DigiTech Whammy and wah-wah motion pedals, which are on the floor, as is the case with the StealthPedal (IK Multimedia) rig, which has the switch box and extra motion pedal, but the StealthPedal rig connects to the Mac Pro and controls AmpliTube 3.5 (IK Multimedia) . . .

I have the two sets of stereo effects pedals mapped and configured, so the primary mapping activity is focused on the aforementioned signal processors in the rack cases, where the general goals are (a) to simplify everything so that using it correctly and productively does not require me to think about a lot of technical audio stuff and (b) to be able to configure everything quickly via the patch bay and whatever, ideally in less than five minutes when I need to switch from playing an instrument to singing . . .

I already have a completely defined "system" or "formula" for doing what I call "basic rhythm sections" in NOTION 3 (Notion Music) via music notation and IK Multimedia virtual instruments, which establishes the foundation for a song and can be as simple as a kick drum functioning as a "click" trak and a piano functioning as a tuning pitch reference, where the key bit of information is that by doing the "click" track and "reference tuning" track in NOTION 3, all the real instruments and singing are synchronized to the music notation, which then makes it possible to switch back and forth from (a) working with real instruments and singing to (b) working with virtual instruments via music notation . . .

Doing it this way requires a tiny bit of advance planning, but for DISCO and Pop songs the general strategy is to do the verse, chorus, bridge, interlude, and lead guitar solo structuring, chord patterns, lyrics, and melody in advance, at least in the sense of the "basic rhythm section", because once the "basic rhythm section" is defined, making structural changes requires more work, although some types of structural changes most are a matter of copying; inserting new measures; and pasting, which is reasonably easy to do both in NOTION 3 for music notation and in Digital Performer 7.24 for real instruments and singing, except that it is generally better and significantly more efficient to define the overall structure in advance, since doing songs in layers, which is the only way one person can do all the instruments and singing, works best when there is a well-defined structure and plan . . .

In some respects, it is more complex than flying a spaceship, but I continue to think that it should be possible to do a complete song every day or two once the complete "system" or "formula" is defined . . .

I already know how to do this with real instruments, and doing it with music notation for most of the instruments is coming along nicely, since for DISCO and Pop songs it mostly is a matter of knowing how to do stuff with music notation that I already know how to do with real instruments, because a lot of the instrumental stuff for DISCO and Pop songs fits nicely with the enhanced "cookie cutter" concept where you start with a standard phrase but make a few changes to enhance it . . .

At two songs each week, this maps approximately to 100 songs a year, which intuitively is not a lot of songs, especially when you do more than two songs a week every once in a while, really . . .

Really!

And this is where getting all the audio and computer stuff under control as part of a well-defined and verified "system" or "formula" becomes vastly important, because this makes it possible to focus on composing, playing, singing, arranging, mixing, and mastering rather than having to mess with a bunch of audio and computer stuff just to get it connected and doing whatever it is supposed to do, since in the grand scheme of everything, composing a song like "I'm Going Goo-Goo Over Ga-Ga" (The Surf Whammys) takes about 15 minutes here in the sound isolation studio, and it should not take more than a day or two to record, mix, and master it, which is fabulous . . .

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[NOTE: It actually required about 500 hours to do this song, but most of the time was focused on getting up to speed on music notation; making sense of how to use virtual instruments; identifying the rules for doing "sparkles" with respect to panning; and discovering how to do ReWire from NOTION 3 to Digital Performer 7.24 to get the NOTION 3 generated audio recorded as soundbites in Digital Performer 7.24, but all that stuff is coming along nicely. More recently it is in the range of 50 hours for the music notation and IK Multimedia virtual instruments work, which can be made significantly faster now that (a) doing music notation for drums is making more sense and (b) doing "sparkles" is mapped to a well-defined "system" or "formula", where "sparkling" is the technique that puts the notes of an instrument into motion on the "rainbow panning arc". This is best enjoyed when listening with headphones, since the studio monitor system is not finished but coming along nicely . . . ]

"I'm Going Goo-Goo Over Ga-Ga" (The Surf Whammys) -- MP3 (9.6MB, 290-kbps [VBR], approximately 4 minutes and 30 seconds)

Fabulous! :D
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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:01 am

After realizing that the signal processors require two rack cases, I think it makes more sense to use Behringer ULTRAPATCH PRO PX3000 Multi-Functional 48-Point 3-Mode Balanced Patchbays, since two of them costs less than one Samson "S-patch plus" ~ 48 Point Balanced TRS Patch Bay, and the only significant difference appears to be the ease of configuring channels for {Normal, Half-Normal, Through}, which on the Behringer units is done on top of the patch bay rather than on the front panel, but they all need to be set to "Through" in this instance, so it can be done one time in advance, especially since at present I have no idea how one might use "Normal" or "Half-Normal". I just need to be able to connect everything from the front, since I know how the inputs and outputs need to be connected for various effects configurations, and I like Behringer stuff . . .

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Behringer ULTRAPATCH PRO PX3000 ~ Balanced TRS Patchbay ~ $50 (US)

There are some rules for using patchbays, and one of the general rules is that it is not advised to connect microphones to a patch bay, but I am not convinced that the general rule applies in this particular instance, which mostly is the result of doing a "thought exercise" using basic principles of physics and a bit of common sense, where the exception is for microphones that require phantom power, except that those microphones are connected directly to the front of the MOTU 828mkII, hence are handled separately . . .

For example, the TC-Helicon "VoiceWorks" vocal processor has both (a) a balanced XLR input connector with phantom power (+48V) capability and (b) a balanced TRS input connector. So, using (a) with the phantom power ON would be a big mistake, but this does not happen when the balanced TRS input connector is used, and there are several ways to handle this, where one way is to have a separate hand-wired XLR patch bay for use when microphones need phantom power, which might be a useful strategy for sometime in the future . . .

The other way is to use the balanced TRS input connectors with microphones that do not require phantom power, which also is the case with the outputs of electric bass, electric guitar, keyboard synthesizers, and effects pedals, but the caveat here is that microphones tend to have lower signal strength than guitars and line-level signal processors and effects pedals, which for the Behringer patchbays is compounded by the channels being in four groups, each of which has its own printed circuit board, which on the good side might provide enough isolation among groups to have a group used exclusively for low-level microphones, although perhaps not, because all of the printed circuit boards probably share a common ground, which is where the "all road lead to Rome" things comes into play, since the separate printed circuit boards share a common ground with the metal case, which by virtue of being mounted to the metal rack shares a common ground with everything on the rack, and in turn ultimately shares a common ground with the 120V AC electrical wiring that powers the various signal processors in the rack cases . . .

The basic rule from physics regarding electricity and wires is that "all roads lead to Rome" which, excluding occasionally needing to do a bit work to resolve ground loops and other problems safely, suggests that (a) extending the balanced TRS connection point (a.k.a., "Rome") via a short cord from the back of a signal processor to the back of a balanced TRS patchbay and then connecting what you would have connected directly to the back of the signal processor to the front of the balanced TRS patchbay effectively being the same as (b) connecting the instrument directly to the back of the signal processor . . .

[NOTE: Explained in a simple way--which has a few caveats--there is not a lot of difference in a 3' guitar cord and a 20' guitar cord in terms of connecting the output of an electric guitar to the input of a guitar amplifier, and this is even more the case with a balanced XLR microphone cord, since standard monaural guitar cords are considerably more likely to act as antennas for electromagnetic waves than balanced XLR microphone cords, where it is a bit redundant to use "balanced" with "XLR", but I do it for clarity. Nevertheless, the reality is that the way wires are routed is very important, and there is a virtual festival of elaborate rules for routing wires, especially in situations where there is a blend of low-voltage, high-voltage, low-amperage, and high-amperage wires, which if not routed properly can cause significant and often dangerous electromagnetic conditions, where one tragic example of not following the rules is the launchpad accident that killed the Apollo 1 astronauts . . . ]

The review board determined that the electrical power momentarily failed at 23:30:55 GMT, and found evidence of several electrical arcs in the interior equipment.


[SOURCE: Apollo 1 Accident ~ Ignition Source (wikipedia) ]

1,407 wiring problems were corrected.


[SOURCE: Apollo Command Module Redesign (wikipedia) ]

If this is a problem for microphones in general, then the solution is to use a MOTU 8pre with an hand-wired XLR patchbay . . .

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MOTU 8pre

8pre — 16 x 12 FireWire audio interface with 8 mic inputs (MOTU)

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Hosa PDR-369 ~ Front Panel

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Hosa PDR-369 ~ Internal Wiring

[NOTE: At present, I only need to use two microphones, and I can connect them easily to the front panel of the MOTU 828mkII, which has a phantom power switch, so the balanced XLR patch bay mostly is a matter of convenience, and might not be necessary depending on the input and output specifications for the Behringer ULTRACURVE PRO DEQ2496 Ultra-High Precision 24-Bit/96 kHz Equalizer, Analyzer, Feedback Destroyer and Mastering Processor, although based on the various configuration diagrams in the Behringer user manual I anticipate no problems in this regard. On the other hand, there is merit to being able to connect a microphone to the TC-Helicon "VoiceWorks" voca processor, which also has a phantom power switch, but is balanced TRS line-level for the outputs and so forth, which when fed to the balanced line-level TRS inputs of the MOTU 828mkII maps to being able to use three microphones for singing, while having both "dry" signals and "wet" external effects processing . . . ]

I am neither an audio engineer or an electrical engineer, but I have had enough physics courses to make sense of all this stuff if I ponder it for a while and map it to the basic principles of electromagnetism, which typically takes a while and is one of the reasons I tend to avoid dealing with all this stuff, but the realities here in the sound isolation studio are (a) that it is vastly important and (b) that there is no way to avoid it, since avoiding doing it clearly is not working with respect to getting the music to sound good when it is mixed and mastered . . .

Explained another way, if I had George Martin and the audio engineers at Abbey Road Studios to do all this stuff for me, then I could focus on making music without having to mess with all the technical audio aspects, but since I am doing everything by myself, there is no way to avoid it, which among other things is the reason I devoted approximately 18 months to making sense of music notation and IK Multimedia virtual instruments (which makes it possible and practical for me to do the musical stuff that George Martin did for the Beatles as their "choirmaster") and now am focusing on solving the vastly complex and quite annoying studio monitoring problem, which for the most part is caused by every commercial off the shelf (COTS) studio monitoring system and loudspeaker manufacturer resorting to such dumbfounding sneaky weaseling that it is a bit beyond mind-boggling, where to be specific the "sneaky weaseling" involves essentially ignoring frequencies below 45-Hz generally and in some instances specifically ignoring frequencies below 100-Hz, which might work for those folks who are overtone hearers but does not work for folks like me who are fundamental tone hearers, for sure . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:59 pm

Determining the most practical way to organize all the rack-mount signal processors is easier when you put the key bits of information into a worksheet . . .

[NOTE: The items high-lighted with yellow need to be in the primary rack, since the primary rack is focused on the main control unit (MOTU 828mkII Firewire Audio Interface), vocal processing, studio monitoring system equalizer, and 4-channel headphone amplifier. The secondary unit is focused on lead guitar stuff, but also can be used with vocals. There are 10 rack units per rack, which maps to requiring 2 racks, which when the two 1RU MIDI patch bays are added sometime in the future fills all 20 available slots in the two racks, although I am not getting the MIDI patch bays until later, and I might get only one of the XLR patch bays now . . . ]

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There is a bit of overlap in the functionality of the effects processors, but some of them are primary to vocal processing, so I think it makes sense to focus the primary rack on the main control unit, studio monitoring system equalizer, 4-channel headphone amplifier, and primary vocal processors . . .

The secondary rack is focused on lead guitar stuff, but since it also has both a TRS patch bay and an XLR patch bay, it can be used for vocal processing when it makes sense . . .

With this information, it becomes possible to determine the patch cords that are required, although it also is necessary to know the location of the various stuff and how it will connect to the patch bays to determine the proper length for the patch cords, which mostly is a matter of determining when regular length XLR microphone cords can be used, since the only balanced TRS cords I have are for use with The Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster® and are "splitter" cords that take the two-channel output from the guitar using a balanced TRS connector ("stereo") and split it into two unbalanced TS ("monaural") guitar cords . . .

[NOTE: "TRS" maps to "Tip, Ring, Sleeve", while "TS" maps to "Tip, Sleeve". Generally, "Tip" is hot; "Ring" is cold; and "Sleeve" is ground for balanced connectors and cords. For XLR connectors, the general rule is that "pin 1" is ground; "pin 2" is cold; "pin 3" is hot; and "pin 1" also needs to be connected to the sleeve of the XLR connector. Using the "All roads led to Rome!" rule for wiring, my expectation is that an XLR-to-TRS patch cord will follow the general rules, but regardless, having a hand-wired "straight through" XLR patch bay provides the required solution for microphone cords, which is the important consideration. And there is the matter of low impedance and high impedance, but this is covered (a) by having both a TRS-to-TRS patch bay and an XLR-to-XLR patch bay and (b) by connecting inputs and outputs correctly, where line-level stuff connects to line-level stuff, but microphone-level stuff connects to microphone-level stuff, which in some respects is too much stuff to remember, but so what . . . ]

And on a curiously related note, it appears that using an iRig Mic and VocalLive for iPad will provide yet another way to "ballpark" a bit of vocal processing in real-time on the fly without causing latency problems on the 2.8-GHz 8-core Mac Pro DAW, which is something I can do here in the sound isolation studio, since I have an iPad2 . . .

This also appears to be the case for lead guitar when used with the iRig and AmpliTube for iPad, as is the case with MIDI via iRig MIDI, although I need to do a bit more research on the iRig MIDI unit, since there is not a lot of information about using it as a MIDI interface for a Mac Pro, except the following rather abstruse observation:

With the exclusive MIDI thru port of iRig MIDI, the user can create advanced rigs such as simultaneously using the iOS device and an external sound module as sound generators controlled by a single MIDI keyboard. Or record MIDI performances live using an external MIDI recording device such as a computer!


[SOURCE: iRig MIDI Usage Examples (IK Multimedia) ]

The primary MIDI interface for the Mac Pro here in the sound isolation studio is the MOTU 828mkII, but I have no idea how it might interact with the iRig MIDI and an iPad2, but it can be useful if it works . . .

However, at present all the MIDI stuff continues to be something I am reserving for later when I can focus on making sense of it, which overall looks to be a vastly complex activity, since the two synthesizers (Alesis ION Analog Synthesizer and KORG Triton Music Workstation [88-keys]) do MIDI, as do some of the external effects pedals (DigiTech Whammy pedals, for example) and the full StealthPedal rig. Additionally, some of the rack-mount signal processors have MIDI capabilities, hence doing MIDI with all that stuff does not appear to be very trivial . . .

At some point in the not so distant future, I am planning to enhance The Fabulous Fifty Million Dollar Trinaural Stratocaster with a GraphTech "Ghost" MIDI system which uses piezoelectric bridge saddles and an electronic MIDI module mounted inside the guitar body, and this maps to needing to make at least a little bit of sense of MIDI toward the goal of using the electric guitar as a MIDI device to control the various IK Multimedia virtual instruments . . .

So, yet another experiment that looks to be intriguing is to get an iRig Mic and VocalLive for the iPad, since I think the output signal can be fed to the MOTU 828mkII and then to the DAW workstation, where I can monitor everything and avoid the problems caused by using "heavy" VST effect plug-ins that cause too much latency or whatever, which currently is the case with Digital Performer 7.24 (MOTU) in part due to its being a 32-bit application. Whether this also is the case with Logic Studio (Apple) is another matter, but it might not be a problem since Logic Studio is a 64-bit application and probably is programmed to do multicore processing, because it is an Apple application designed specifically to run on the Mac, and I know that at least one Apple application does stellar multicore processing (QuickTime Player v10.0, to be precise), since I observed it using Activity Monitor (Mac OS X) when it was exporting a video file, which is the basis for this inference. Overall, nearly everything else uses at most 20 percent of the processing power of the 2.8-GHz 8-core Mac Pro . . .

At this point, there should be enough information to determine the required set of patch cords, but I need to ponder it for a while, and I also need to get a longer RJ-45 ethernet cable so that I can move the Mac Pro from its current location . . .

Lots of FUN! :D

P. S. In retrospect, I might have done a few things differently, but all of it needed to be done and some of did not exist 5 or 10 years ago, and it simply did not occur to me that anyone would design and build studio monitoring systems and loudspeakers which are incapable of reproducing the open-position to 5th fret notes on the low-pitch "E" string of an electric bass guitar, hence I never took the time to check it . . .

It certainly would have made more sense to get a MOTU 8pre than to use external mixers for XLR microphones, but the MOTU 8pre did not appear until sometime in 2007 . . .

Yet another reality is that going from (a) composing songs, playing electric guitar and singing to (b) doing all that stuff and arranging, producing, mixing, and mastering with additional focus on doing elaborate orchestration with music notation and IK Multimedia virtual instruments takes a while and requires studying and understanding a lot of highly complex stuff . . .

One of the ongoing projects here in the sound isolation studio is to write an eBook which describes and explains a complete "system" or "formula" for doing all this stuff with a very specific set of equipment and software on the Mac with a budget of $15,000 to $25,000 (US), which certainly is possible and practical, although at the low-end of the range it does not include any professional quality real instruments . . .

With the obvious exception of real instruments, nearly everything can be computer-based, but the other exception is the studio monitoring system, since headphone mixing and mastering does not work, so while most of the stuff can be added in phases or steps, I think that a full-range studio monitoring system needs to be part of the "system" or "formula" sooner rather than later in the grand scheme of everything, hence the current focus on the studio monitoring system, for sure . . .

For sure!


And to be as clear as possible regarding "all this stuff" using an example, the context maps to one person being able to do a reasonably, if not surprisingly, accurate cover of "I Am The Walrus" (Beatles) or "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (Pink Floyd), which in the grand scheme of everything maps to being able to do original songs with the same, if not greater, level of elaborately detailed arrangement, orchestration, and production, really . . .

[NOTE: I like the original monaural version best . . . ]

"I Am The Walrus" (Beatles) -- Monaural 45 RPM Record -- YouTube music video

[NOTE: However, this is a custom stereo mix that someone with a stellar ear did using snippets from various versions, and I particularly like the TONE and effects for John Lennon's singing, as well as the instruments being in good locations that preserve the unique sound of the monaural hit record, which is very important with respect to texture. For reference, the record is not what you are hearing, and it is there only to have something visual, since the audio is the custom stereo version. It is not a perfect mix, but it is easier to hear the instruments, counterpoint, and so forth, which is fascinating, since it provides insights to the expert arranging, orchestrating, and producing work that George Martin did . . . ]

"I Am The Walrus" (Beatles) -- Custom Stereo Version -- YouTube music video

"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (Pink Floyd) -- YouTube music video

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:15 pm

I revised the configuration of the two studio racks, since they have only 9 rack units rather than 10 rack units, but this saved some money, because the new configuration requires fewer patch bays . . .

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This is the primary rack that has the main control and vocal processing units . . .

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And this is the secondary rack that has the electric guitar stuff, some of which might be used for vocal processing . . .

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These racks are smaller and lighter, and after moving everything I had the idea that there might be a way to add a second computer display, so that with a wireless keyboard and mouse I can continue to use the current display location for working with NOTION 3 (Notion Music) and doing keyboard stuff but switch to the new mixing and mastering station after everything is recorded, which will be convenient, since the KORG Triton Workstation (88 keys) is on the wall opposite the new mixing and mastering station, which maps to facing east when playing the KORG Triton Music Workstation but facing west when doing mixing and mastering, which I suppose could suggest that I need a Feng Shui consultation, although perhaps not, since a good bit of what I am doing at present is focused on getting into good locations, focus, and so forth, where the general idea is that the sound isolation studio for all practical purposes is like a music spaceship, which among other things is something I explored for a while with the design of the Really Bigger Drumkit™, which has stacked cymbals and Latin percussion instruments, as well as a custom-designed hi-hat rig, that make it possible to play as many as seven notes with a single arm or foot motion, as demonstrated in "Nuke Out" (The Surf Whammys), which has a grand total of one drumkit part that was played in real-time on the fly with no overdubbing, although I used a bit of reverb and cascading echoes, which is an easy way to do a lot of drumming without actually needing to do so many arm and foot motions once you map everything and discover how to "work" the cascading echoes, which is made easier by using 22" custom-made drumsticks and applying some of the basic principles of mechanical physics, which is fabulous . . .

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The Really Bigger Drumkit™ ~ March 2010

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[NOTE: This is a headphone mix, so it is best enjoyed when listening with headphones. These are real instruments (drumkit, bass guitar, rhythm guitar, and lead guitar) . . . ]

"Nuke Out" (The Surf Whammys) -- MP3

Fabulous!

However, now that the new studio monitoring system is in place, the Really Bigger Drumkit is really not in the sound isolation studio anymore, but I am working on a plan to get a bit more room, since I also need more space to do music videos, which is yet another project and is one of the reasons that it takes a while to do all this stuff when you do everything yourself . . .

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Postby Surf Whammy » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:37 pm

Over the past few days I created an elaborate and highly detailed worksheet that lists and organizes all the various signal processor inputs, outputs, sends, returns, and footswitch inputs, with the result that (a) connecting everything from the back panels of the signal processors to patch bays on the front of the two studio racks and (b) being able to do front panel patching for the different configurations requires approximately 100 patch cords, where most of them are TRS-to-TRS (6') but there also are some TRS-to-XLR-M and TRS- to-XLR-F, as well as XLR-M-to-XLR-F, which at approximately $5 per patch cord maps to $500 (US) and another $200 for the two TRS-to-TRS patch bays and one XLR-F-to-XLR-M patch bay, which with a few additional TRS Stereo Splitter cords (TRS-to-Dual-TS) costs a total of approximately $750 (US), which certainly would be nice and vastly convenient, but then there is the matter of doing the same thing with MIDI cords, which requires at least one MIDI patch bay and looks to be another $500 (US), since since a MIDI patch bay costs approximately $200 (US) and MIDI cords cost more than TRS and XLR patch cords . . .

After pondering this for a while, a bit of common sense prevailed, and with all the inputs and outputs listed in detail in the worksheet I considered everything from a more practical perspective based on my general tendency to keep everything as simple as possible, which with external electric guitar effects pedals maps (a) to finding one nice sounding way to connect the effects pedals in each of the two sets and then (b) to using it that way, where instead of needing to adjust all the knobs and switches, I can focus on just a few for fine-tuning, which essentially is the practical "set it and forget it" strategy . . .

The common sense approach has no patching and basically maps to connecting stuff in a dedicated way, which might not be so elegant but costs considerably less, which tends to make it a good and practical strategy . . .

The reality is that there are (a) two vocal processors (TC-Helicon VoiceWorks and Behringer Tube Composer) and (b) two electric guitar processors (Behringer Bass V-Amp Pro and Soldano Space Box) . . .

And there is the MOTU 828mkII Firewire audio interface, Behringer Powerplay PRO HA4700 headphone amplifier, and Behringer Ultracurve PRO DEQ2496 equalizer and calibration unit . . .

The way it works is that the vocal processors and electric guitar processors connect to the MOTU 828mkII analog inputs, and the MOTU828mkII Main output connects to the Behringer Ultracurve PRO DEQ2496 equalizer and calibration unit, while the MOTU828mkII stereo headphone output connects via a TRS Stereo Splitter cord to the Behringer Powerplay PRO HA4700 headphone amplifier . . .

There are two other ways to connect the MOTU 828mkII output to the Behringer Powerplay PRO HA4700 headphone amplifier and Behringer Ultracurve PRO DEQ2496 equalizer and calibration unit, so I might do some experiments, where the basic concern is that running the MOTU 828mkII Main output (L, R) first to the Behringer Powerplay PRO HA4700 headphone amplifier and then from the Behringer Powerplay PRO HA4700 headphone amplifier to the Behringer Ultracurve PRO DEQ2496 equalizer and calibration unit might alter the quality of the MOTU 828mkII Main output in an adverse way, which in the grand scheme of everything would tend to defeat the purpose of doing all the studio monitoring system stuff, so there are some experiments I can do, but the safest way to do it is described in the previous paragraphs, since the MOTU 828mkII Main output (L, R) is the highest quality output for the digital audio recorded in Digital Performer 7.24 in the current digital production system here in the sound isolation studio, and the general idea is to keep equalizing, fine-tuning, calibrating, and so forth at a minimum . . .

The result of the worksheet exercise is that these are the minimum connecting cord requirements, which using the GLS Audio cords costs approximately $125 (US):

(1) TRS Stereo Splitter (12' TRS to Dual TS)
(6) TRS to XLR-M (6')
(12) TRS to TRS (6')
(1) RJ-45 50' ethernet cable (required to be able to move the Mac Pro next to the new mixing station)

And since I do not have an Alesis MidiVerb4, reducing the cost of the connecting cords might make it possible to get an Alesis MidiVerb4, which costs approximately $200 (US) . . .

This does not remove the patch bays and elaborate patch cords from consideration, since I continue to like the idea, but it is something I can do a little bit at a time rather than all at once, since there are other things that I need more than the convenience of being able to connect stuff in every possible combination and permutation easily via patch bays. . .

[NOTE: Intuitively, one might imagine that there are not so many ways to connect two vocal processors and two electric guitar processors to a MOTU 828mkII and then to connect the output of the MOTU 828mkII to a headphone amplifier and an equalizing and calibrating processor, but the reality is that 50 TRS connectors, 7 XLR-F connectors, and 8 XLR-M connectors that need to run to the back of the patch bays. And then you need patch cords to connect stuff from the front of the patch bays, which then introduces the possibility of using various sends, returns, and individual channel outputs to send the signals to other effects units, which basically is entirely too much stuff to do in your mind, so the practical way to make sense of it involves (a) doing a worksheet to list and to organize all the inputs and outputs, (b) limiting everything to simple and practical configurations, and (b) realizing that it is vastly easier to do elaborate effects processing after the fact in the DAW application using VST effects plug-ins, especially since you can create presets for specific VST effects plug-ins and recall them, which for some types of external effects pedals and processors is not so easy to do, although if an external effects pedal or unit supports MIDI, then there probably is a way to do it, which on the good side appears to be reasonably straightforward with a StealthPedal rig and AmpliTube, although I have not tried it, yet. Explained another way, making sense of all this stuff might be easier than making sense of all the stuff required to fly a spaceship or to control a nuclear submarine, but so what . . . ]

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Yet another new development, which springs from the idea of having dedicated vocal microphone inputs is to create a vocal microphone array, which is not so difficult to do, since I have some reasonably good quality microphones that I was using on the Really Bigger Drumkit™, as well as a few reasonably good quality vocal microphones, and I like the idea of having a set of vocal microphones all being recorded simultaneously on separate tracks . . .

I always use two vocal microphones, but with the additional dedicated microphone inputs I can do this with five microphones (two connected directly to the MOTU 828mkII; one connected to the TC-Helicon VoiceWorks vocal processor; and two connected directly to the Behringer T1952 Tube Composer) . . .

[NOTE: Part of the thinking on this is that it will look vastly surreal in a music video to have a custom-designed microphone stand with an array of microphones mounted on an Art Moderne microphone holder contraption, regardless of whether it makes any actual sense, where the general concept is to make it visually entertaining, so that the elaborate vocal processing appears to be due to the microphone array, which from a different perspective is like having an electric guitar with a lot of pickups, each of which is on a separate and independent channel, where the various channels have different sets of effects, which is the way I do the lead guitar stuff and moves the concept of "working a vocal microphone" to a new and intriguing level, which is important, because my general view at present is that nobody, including me, actually can hear all the stuff I do in any immediately conscious way . . . ]

From a practical perspective, the important thing is to have a way at least to "ballpark" specific vocal processing styles while simultaneously being able to record dry vocal tracks without having to deal with latency issues, since (a) I do all the elaborate vocal processing with VST effects plug-ins after the fact using recorded dry vocal tracks in the DAW application but (b) it helps to hear at least a "ballpark" amount of reverberation and echo, which also is the way I usually do rhythm guitar and lead guitar, where I have a few tracks with the electric guitar run through external effects pedals so that what I hear in the headphones is reasonably realistic with respect to effects, but I also have some dry electric guitar tracks, which for example I can post-process with AmpliTube, but especially for lead guitar I really need to hear the echo repeats when I am playing, which due to latency is not possible to do without a separate dedicated computer for AmpliTube, at least based on the various strategies I have tried, since Digital Performer 7.24 keeps the 2.8-GHz 8-core Mac Pro pretty busy, even when the MOTU 828mkII is doing a lot of the external audio processing . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:50 am

I probably forgot to mention that the MOTU 828mkII front panel display stopped working a few months ago after I connected two MIDI cords to it, but so what . . .

So what!

It is all part of the big plan, and the way it works for this particular MOTU hardware when it is out of warranty is that (a) you call MOTU and get a repair ticket, which costs $100; (b) you send them the unit; and then (c) they send you a refurbished unit, where they pay for the return shipping, which I think is reasonable considering that the unit worked flawlessly for approximately 8 years . . .

The only problem is that since this is the only Firewire digital audio interface here in the sound isolation studio, the most likely sequence of events is that within a day or two of sending the MOTU 828mkII for repair, a limousine will appear in front of the house with Christina Aguilera, Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, or Britney Spears, one of whom will want to record one of my fabulous DISCO and Pop songs here in the sound isolation studio, which of course will include giving me an autographed pair of their underpants, although without a Firewire audio interface I would have to say, "Sorry, can you come back in a week, and by the way is there any possibility of getting the underpants now?", but I devised a strategy to avoid missing this no doubt stellar opportunity . . .

Specifically, I was going to continue using the MOTU 828mkII without the display working, where according to MOTU technical support I can use Cue Mix FX on the Mac Pro for everything except adjusting the trim on the two frontside XLR/TRS inputs . . .

However, I also wanted to get a MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid, but it was priced a bit over the budget here in the sound isolation studio, except that over the weekend I got an email from Musician's Friend regarding a special sales event where products that nearly never are eligible for bonus discounts were eligible but only for a day or two, so after doing some calculations and a few shopping cart experiments, I realized that I could get a MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid and two Behringer PX3000 UltraPro balanced TRS patch bays at a significant discount and via the special bonus discount get an Alesis MidiVerb4 essentially for free, which is what I did, and since I paid an extra $4.95 (total) for 3 to 5 day UPS shipping, everything arrived in two days, which is stellar . . .

Stellar!

With the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid in the primary rack, I can get the MOTU 828mkII repaired and then put it in the secondary rack, so that I have a Firewire digital audio interface for both racks, although at some point I probably will need to get either (a) a third smaller rack or (b) a larger single rack, but so what . . .

So what!

Giving this a bit of thought, I like the idea of having three smaller racks, where one rack can have electric bass and electric guitar stuff; another rack can have vocal stuff; and the third rack can have the main control stuff, which makes a bit of sense and avoids the logistical problem of having a larger single rack that weighs a billion pounds and is too tall to be used when I am sitting at the mixing station . . .

Regardless, there is enough stuff, including patch cords, to connect everything, which is what I plan to do "real soon", since (a) I am quite curious to see how everything works and (b) I think that the work is at a point where it is optimal in the sense of not needing to redo a bunch of it later, which is something I make a diligent effort to avoid, because while it is a bit of FUN, it is more FUN in the sense that being able to change a flat tire is more FUN than being parked on the side of the road with a flat tire and no spare tire . . .

If I wanted to mess with connecting external signal processors, patch cords, and racks, then I would focus on being a "roadie", but I prefer to focus on digital music production, if only because over the long run making music probably maps to getting more autographed pairs of ladies underpants than being a "roadie", which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous! :D

P. S. In the grand scheme of everything, I think that the studio monitoring system strategy maps to saving approximately $6,500 compared to the price of the high-end JBL studio monitoring system, so getting some much needed stuff is within the budget here in the sound isolation studio, especially when there is a special bonus discount sale, which is the case with smart online stores in the US at present, because it is a matter of either (a) doing special bonus discounts and making sales or (b) getting stuck with a bunch of unsold inventory, which for the next two or so weeks is likely to map to very aggressive special discount bonus sales and is an excellent reason to register stuff and to get on the various mailing lists, not so much because the special discount bonus sales are private but instead because in some instances there are only limited quantities available, where for example Musician's Friend did not have any MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid units last week . . .

All this stuff is good, and if you need it but there is no special discount bonus sale at the time, then I think it makes sense just to get it, but the other side of the coin is that you can keep productively busy doing something else for a while, during which time you can eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches rather than spend $20 a day at fast food restaurants, and then when there is a special discount bonus sale, you have some money saved in the coffee can, and there you are, where the key to this strategy is to have a plan, because the fact of the matter is that the only way to have any practical probability of being able to compete with major recording artists when you are doing everything all by yourself in a sound isolation studio which is smaller than a typical "walk-in" closet is to have a bunch of hardware and software, and at least a few professional quality instruments if you are a player, all of which costs somewhere in the range of $15,000 to $25,000, which is the reason that having a fact-based plan makes stellar sense from the perspectives of Accounting, Business Management, Economics, and so forth . . .

For example, one of the things you discover when you take a few Accounting courses in college is that every accountant who stayed awake in class knows that when sales are a bit slow and inventory is not moving so quickly, this is an excellent time to have a sale, even when for people who do not understand the basic principles of Accounting it makes no apparent sense to have a sale . . .

Yet another fact, which the folks who stayed awake during Economics classes understand, is that when everyone is playing "hot potato" and "musical chairs", having special discount bonus sales and aggressively moving inventory is smart, for sure . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:08 pm

I did the basic move and rack setup, which included repositioning the Mac Pro and running a longer RJ-45 ethernet cable through the wall, all of which took about four hours . . .

At present, only the new MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid is connected to the Mac Pro, but the output of the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid goes to the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers via a pair of XLR cords, since the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid has XLR Main Outputs, as contrasted to the MOTU 828mkII, which has TRS Main Outputs . . .

The first thing I discovered is that apparently I had the Main Output volume set very low on the MOTU 828mkII, which I had not realized since the display was not working, but the new MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid comes from the factory with the Main Output volume set to 0dB, and I had the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers set to 5 on a scale of 0 to 10, which resulted in a large sound blast for a few seconds . . .

I was wondering why it was necessary to set the volume level of the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers to 5, which appeared to be a bit strange, but now I know the reason, and I will lower the volume on the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers, since they are considerably more powerful in terms of sound output than I thought, which is good, although discovering it without the surprise sound blast is the best way to get the information . . .

At present, I have not connected the other processors, but this is just a matter of unpacking the various patch cords and then interconnecting the various processors, which includes doing the loudspeaker calibration with the Behringer DEC2496 UltraCurve Pro . . .

For some unknown reason, I am not getting any output from NOTION 3 (Notion Music) when the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid is handling the audio, but there is output from Digital Performer 7.24 and iTunes, so this might be a peculiarity of NOTION 3, although it could be the way the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid is confgured . . .

The Melodyne Editor (Celemony) did not work with the MOTU 828mkII, so when doing something with the Melodyne Editor in Digital Performer 7.24, I switch to Core Audio, but once the editing is completed, I switch back to the MOTU Firewire audio interface unit . . .

I did some work in NOTION 3 recently, but the MOTU828mkII was turned-OFF, so I was using Core Audio . . .

When Digital Performer 7.24 is the ReWire host controller and NOTION 3 is the ReWire slave, I think that I will hear the NOTION 3 generated audio when the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid is handling the audio, which is fine with me . . .

There is a way to configure Digital Performer 7.24 so that when the MOTU 828mkII or MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid is handling the audio everything is there, but when the MOTU Firewire audio interface is not ON, everything is handled by Core Audio without needing to do an audio configuration in Digital Performer 7.24, which makes it reasonably easy to switch back and forth, depending on the particular activity . . .

The only thing that comes to mind is that there might be a parameter or flag that when set indicates a software application or VST must use Core Audio, which prevents the MOTU Firewire audio interface from intercepting the audio or whatever . . .

Whatever!

The IK Multimedia virtual instruments work with Core Audio and with the MOTU devices, so this appears to be something that is unique to the Melodyne Editor and NOTION 3, but so what . . .

So what!

After moving the computer and getting the basic stuff connected, I did a new mix for "Feel Me" (The Surf Whammys), and it has some improvements . . .

It is easier to hear everything with the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers, and there is more clarity, so I am pleased with the progress on the new studio monitoring system, which I think will increase once I calibrate the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers with the Behringer Behringer DEC2496 UltraCurve Pro and get the left and right volume levels balanced with the Nady SPL Meter . . .

I made a copy of everything in the Digital Performer 7.24 project (via "Save A Copy As . . . ") and then started the new mix by revisiting the drumkit and bass sections, where one of the things I discovered is that there were a few bass instruments that were not needed, so I set their volume sliders to negative infinity, and I repositioned the kick drums and increased the volume of the kick drums and snare drum rimshots. I also increased the volume of some of the Latin percussion instruments, since this did not appear to have much of an affect on the T-RackS 3 Deluxe "perceived loudness" (a very important meter, for sure), because there was enough sonic space to make the Latin percussion instruments a bit more prominent, as was the case with the various bells, chimes, and so forth . . .

As expected, I will need to revisit the way I use the T-RackS 3 Deluxe brickwall limiter and optical compressor, but everything else appears to be consistent, and one of the more interesting things I discovered is that I had the CSR Classik Studio Reverb set incorrectly for the right snare drum rimshots, which I corrected, since it was set to 75 percent but should have been 10 percent, which is the "dry/wet" setting for the left snare drum rimshots . . .

Yet another thing I discovered is that I need to revisit the way I am panning the kick drums in NOTION 3, since I had the kick drums panned far-left and far-right, which is fine in NOTION 3, since NOTION 3 has a true stereo panning control, but DIgital Performer 7.24 only has a stereo balance control, which is not the same as a true stereo panning control, with the result that in Digital Performer 7.24 I was not able to move the kick drums to top-center, which tends to be a good location for kick drums in the DISCO and Pop genres . . .

So, while I would not characterize this as "instant magic", I certainly can hear everything more clearly, which in turn makes it possible to make better mix adjustments and so forth . . .

This is the new mix for "Feel Me" (The Surf Whammys), and it was done with the uncalibrated Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers . . .

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"Feel Me" (The Surf Whammys) -- December 16, 2011 -- MP3 (8MB, 303-kbps [VBR], approximately 3 minutes and 38 seconds)

Lots of FUN! :D

P. S. I called MOTU Technical Support about the NOTION 3 output problem, and after a stellar bit of guidance from the MOTU Technical Support specialist, I was instructed to click through the list of NOTION 3 output channels for the Master stereo track, and selecting "Channels 9-10" provided the solution . . .

Apparently "Channels 9-10" in NOTION 3 on the Mac (OS X 10.6.8) causes the NOTION 3 generated audio to be routed to the Main Output of the MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid . . .

Generally, it is difficult to beat me when it comes to what in the computer arena I call "scouting around", where the basic strategy is to keep doing experiments and examining everything in detail until you discover the typically undocumented bit of information that provides the clue to solving whatever the problem might be, but in this particular instance, it simply did not occur to me to step through the 32 pairs of NOTION 3 output channels . . .

However, in one of my ongoing topics in the Notion Music FORUM, I have a rule that when doing ReWire on the Mac to record NOTION 3 generated audio in Digital Performer 6 and 7 as soundbites, it is very important to avoid using any of the NOTION 3 output channels that have single-digit channel numbers, so I might have found the solution eventually, except that I already tried "Channels 1-2", which did nothing . . .

So, after some stellar technical support from MOTU, everything is working nicely in NOTION 3 with the new MOTU 828mk3 Hybrid, which already was the case with Digital Performer 7.24, iTunes 10.5.2 (11), all the IK Multimedia virtual instruments (Sample Tank, Sonik Synth, SampleMoog, SampleTron, and Mirosolav Philharmonik), and so forth and so on . . .

In many respects, doing digital music production is like flying a spaceship, and the new configuration here in the sound isolation studio makes it all the more real, since I now sit at the mixing station in a captain's chair and there are two stellar Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers on the wall, which in the audio universe is like a three-dimensional sonic viewing port, and the walls are painted "Cosmic Blue" (a personal favorite), which adds a surreal dimension . . .

And two months after officially starting "The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor Project", I think that everything is coming along very nicely, for sure . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:02 pm

In my ongoing efforts never to finish anything, I took a break for the holidays and pondered what I want to do next, which now includes designing and building a 20' by 32' by 12' (width, length, height) recording studio and soundstage for doing YouTube music videos, which I think I can do for approximately the amount of money I have saved so far by using the Kustom loudspeaker units and Behringer unit rather than a high-end $7,500 JBL studio monitoring system, which basically maps to the building and concrete pad costing $6,500, although only for the exterior structure, since once that is done I will need to do an inner insulated structure on a fully-floated rubber mat floor (mats made from ground car and truck tires), which is the way I did the current sound isolation studio, which now is a mixing room . . .

And while I was enjoying the holiday festivities, I had the idea of watching some movies on the Mac Pro and Apple 20" Cinema Display in the mixing room with The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System™, which works very nicely and leads to yet another vastly stellar epiphany, which is that the new studio monitoring system also makes an excellent primary home theater audio system, which could be expanded for surround sound by adding some of the 10" or 12" Kustom units for the sides and back . . .

Currently at Musician's Friend, the Kustom KPC10P 10" Powered PA Speaker is $80 (US), and the Kustom KPC12P 12" Powered PA Speaker is $100 (US), with the non-powered units costing less, of course . . .

If a flat screen television has separate outputs for 5.1 surround sound or whatever, then the powered units probably make the most sense, but it depends . . .

The primary caveat to this strategy is that you need to know how to set the volume levels for the various loudspeaker units, since this cannot be done via remote control with the powered units, and they are so loud that the volume levels need to be set to safe listening levels, which basically requires using a sound pressure level (SPL) meter and a bit of common sense, where you would set the television volume level to maximum and then slowly increase the volume levels of the powered loudspeaker units until the maximum SPL is in the 80dB to 85dB range, because even in a listening room that was 20' by 20' by 12', the two 15" Kustom powered loudspeaker units (which is what I am using for the sound isolation studio) are too loud when set to maximum volume, which of course you never would do, since the key to the strategy is to run them at a low volume so that you can boost the deep bass to achieve full-range frequency response at equal loudness (a.k.a., "flat response") across the full range of normal human hearing (20-Hz to 20,000-Hz) . . .

After pondering the range of Kustom powered loudspeaker units, I think it is obvious that the smaller units probably can be used for smaller studio monitors, since they have 10" and 12" models, but they also have a larger model with two (2) 15" woofers . . .

And the smaller units have mounts that can be used to suspend them from a ceiling with pipes, which also is an intriguing concept for a home theater scenario and is something I do for microphones in the sound isolation studio, which involves a bit of custom work but it not difficult to do, where the basic strategy is to use the top section of pipe from a microphone stand and special mounts ceiling mounts with rubber locking grabbers, but for loudspeaker units one would use a similar style ceiling mounting flange but with a fixed "screw-in" holder for a regular pipe. It sounds complex, but if you know about about plumbing hardware, it is not difficult to do, where if you look at the ceiling in the photograph of the Really Bigger Drumkit, you can see the ceiling mount pipe flanges which instead of having "screw-in" threads have a rubber grommet that is tightened by a nut to hold the top sections of microphone stands firmly in place with in a way that allows them to vibrate a tiny bit without making any noise . . .

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The Really Bigger Drumkit (2010)

In fact, I am pondering the idea of getting a pair of each of the Kustom 10" and 12" powered units to do some testing to determine how they work with respect to being adapted for custom use as full-range studio monitors in the scenario where it is not practical to use the 15" units, because at least in theory it is possible that the 10" units might be as good or better than many typical small "studio monitors", since instead of having 5" woofers, they have 10" woofers, and 10" woofers will push some deep bass, where for example the Fender Custom Shop Rumble Bass units that were made for three or so years in the late-1990s have four (4) 10" woofers (although there are other configurations for the loudspeaker cabinets, where typically two were used, although the vacuum-tube amplifier, which weighs approximately 75 pounds and is so massive (300 watts) that it requires a set of internal cooling fans, can power four of the loudspeaker units), and the classic Ampeg SVT bass guitar loudspeaker units have eight (8) 10" woofers . . .

I like stuff like this, and I think it qualifies as a "serendipity" event, where although the Kustom loudspeaker units are designed and intended for DJ/PA use, they can be adapted for full-range studio monitoring and home theater use if you apply a bit of smarts and set everything to safe listening levels. The power amplifiers are Class AB, which is good, and by running them at low levels I think that the smaller units also can be equalized for full-range at equal loudness (a.k.a., "flat response") . . .

On a related note, while in some respects it appears that I am not doing anything, I actually have been learning how the new studio monitoring system works, even though at present I have not done the Behringer and ARC System (IK Multimedia) equalization and calibration steps . . .

I did a new mix about four weeks ago, and it sounds better, which is great, because it was done without the Kustom loudspeaker units being equalized and calibrated, which is sufficient for affirmative proof of concept verification . . .

Being able to hear everything more clearly and in finer detail maps to doing a lot of revisions to all the strategies I had devised for adjusting the various T-RackS 3 Deluxe (IK Multimedia) VST effects plug-ins, and it also maps to revising the strategy for adjusting the TrackPlug 5 (Wave Arts) VST effects plug-in that I use to partition and compartmentalize certain instruments, as well as to do this for vocals, where the general strategy at present continues to be to have instruments and voices in very tightly controlled locations, both spatially and sonically, where two stellar examples of the concept are "Billie Jean" (Michael Jackson) and "Miss You" (The Rolling Stones) . . .

For reference, when I use the term "sonically", I am referring to the duration, volume level, and frequency range of each instrument and voice, where the general goal is for everything to be highly constrained to unique instances in time, where from the perspective of complex system modeling every note is a "transaction" in the sense of having a clearly distinct start and end time, which is the reason that "Miss You" (The Rolling Stones) is such an excellent example, since for all practical purposes nearly all the musicians and singers are doing ruthlessly constrained a cappella solos, although this is a non-standard use of the term "a cappella".

The easiest way to understand this is to watch the way Charlie Watts plays cymbals and snare drum rimshots, where during the sections of "Miss You" when there is a lot of instrumentation and singing, he single-steps the cymbals and snare drum rimshots, which looks patently strange but makes sense when you understand the logic for doing it this way, and is something that I first noticed years ago in the original music video for "Miss You", since it looked so strange . . .

Specifically, instead of hitting a cymbal and doing a snare drum rimshot simultaneously, which is the ay Ringo Starr nearly always does it, Charlie Watts intentionally plays "air cymbal" when he does a snare drum rimshot in this particular technique, which I understood in a general way when I first saw it, but it did not make complete sense until recently . . .

From what I have been able to determine, this is something that Charlie Watts started doing only after doing several albums and getting some recording studio experience, and the reason for doing it is that it pushes the snare drum rimshots to the front of the mix, which is brilliant when you think about it for a while . . .

Using a vastly surreal analogy, it is like the breeding strategies of the particular species of frogs where there are two types of male frogs, with one type being huge "bull frogs" but the other type being "little guys", and what the "little guys" discovered is that if they wait patiently on the sidelines while the "bull frogs" are in the spotlight, then for a few instants after the "bull frogs" finish their work and move on to something else, the "little guys" quickly jump onboard and do their bits, followed by running away and hiding . . .

In other words, when the "bull frog" (Mick Jagger) is singing, Charlie Watts switches to single-stepping the cymbals and snare drum rimshots, which has the spatial and sonic result of getting in his licks but without interfering with Mick Jagger's singing, and it is very easy to observe in the following YouTube concert video of "Miss You", where in the latter half of the video the camera stays on Charlie Watts for about 30 seconds, at which time it is very easy to observe him doing the "air cymbal" and snare drum rimshot single-stepping, for sure . . .

[NOTE: The sound is not so bad, but the important thing is that you can watch Charlie Watts doing the cymbal and snare drum rimshot single-stepping, which is easiest to observe beginning at 4:55 and continuing for approximately 30 seconds . . . ]

"Miss You" (The Rolling Stones) -- Philadelphia 2005 -- YouTube concert video

For sure!

And once you understand what Charlie Watts is doing when he switches to "single-stepping" mode, it is easy to determine that all the musicians and singers are doing the same thing as contrasted to playing continuously all the time, where they play short, quick, and distinct "bits" . . .

Explained another way, everyone is doing what essentially is "self-ducking", where it is fascinating to watch the way Keith Richards does it on rhythm guitar . . .

The reverberation and echoes creates the perception of continuity of sounds, but if you watch what everyone is doing it mostly is a series of rapid "in and out" transactions that have distinct starts and ends, which is the "duration" aspect of "sonically", which is where the T-RackS 3 Deluxe Brickwall Limiter is very useful, as are the noise-gating capabilities of TrackPlug 5, and TrackPlug 5 has a stellar 'brickwall frequency filter" that can be set to constrain an instrument or voice to a very specific frequency range, where nothing below the low-frequency "brickwall" is heard and nothing above the high-frequency "brickwall" is heard . . .

The same technique for compartmentalizing, partitioning, and constraining instruments and voices is used in "Billie Jean" (Michael Jackson), and it is easy to observe when you watch the audio in a real-time spectrum analyzer, which can be as simple as the one in iTunes, although T-RackS 3 Deluxe has a more detailed real-time spectrum analyzer . . .

I have been working on making sense of this for several years (nearly half a decade), and it is coming along nicely, where as best as I can determine this is the primary strategy used in hit records to achieve loud perceived volume without actually be high volume, although my current thinking is that there probably are some advanced proprietary "slicing" techniques that are done with supercomputers in post processing, but if this is the case, then there should be a way at least to "ballpark" it . . .

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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:57 am

Some friends visited last week, and I showed them the new mixing room here in the sound isolation studio, which included doing the "missing fundamental" audio test and playing "Billie Jean" (Michael Jackson) on the Kustom loudspeakers, which are as they come from the factory since I have not done the Behringer RTA step yet, and they really liked the way everything sounds, so being karaoke aficionados and wanting a new professional karaoke system, I am designed a karaoke system for them based on using the Kustom loudspeakers and Behringer RTA equipment, along with some other rack-mount stuff . . .

Part of the reason that everything sounds so good is the acoustic behavior of the sound isolation studio, but I can do acoustic treatments in their karaoke room once everything is setup and configured, since the Behringer RTA equipment will provide some clues regarding any significant trouble spots, where the most likely acoustic treatments will be stacking a few rolls of fiberglass insulation in corners to eliminate any deep bass "booming" and perhaps the suggestion to install some thick curtains if there are midrange and high-frequency issues . . .

Once I have the new storage building and workshop completed, I can design and build some Helmholtz resonating panels, since they tend to be helpful in some respects for particularly troublesome listening rooms, but for the most part simply eliminating any "boomy" deep bass tends to do wonders for a listening room, and while everything else certainly is important, as best as I have been able to determine dealing with it wanders very quickly in the realm of the absurd, at least for practical purposes, hence my strategy is to work through a small but vastly useful list of simple treatments that absorb huge quantities of sound toward the goal of making the listening room more like an anechoic chamber than anything else, since an anechoic chamber is the ultimate completely and totally neutral listening room, for sure . . .

For sure!

I did a good bit of research on room acoustics when I was designing the sound isolation studio, and the strategy I selected was focused primarily on absorbing sonic energy, since there were two goals for the sound isolation studio:

(1) keeping unwanted noises from entering the sound isolation studio from the outside

(2) preventing sounds inside the sound isolation studio from bouncing around excessively

So, I built a room inside a room inside a room, where the innermost room sits atop ground rubber mats made from car and truck tires, with particular focus on "sits atop", since the inner room is not anchored anywhere with wood screws or nails and literally floats atop the ground rubber mats . . .

There are huge quantities of fiberglass in the floor, walls, and ceiling for each room, and there are air spaces between the respective rooms . . .

And instead of having a single layer of sheetrock or gypsum board, there are multiple layers of different thickness, since the general idea is to make it as difficult as possible for sonic energy to travel through the various physical media . . .

At present, two-thirds of the inner room floor is carpeted and the other third of the floor has vinyl floor tiles . . .

The walls and ceiling are double layers of sheetrock, but it is done in such a way that there are Helmholtz resonating panels behind the sheetrock, where the Helmholtz resonating panels are in different sizes and additionally have varying size holes, so that as a set they absorb a wide range of frequencies . . .

From a high-level perspective, one way to understand the overall strategy is to personify sonic energy and to realize that the best way to annoy sonic energy is to ensure that nothing is consistent and similar, which for example is the reason for using different thicknesses of sheetrock or gypsum board, because sonic energy is more annoyed when it has to travel through two layers of sheetrock when each layer is a different thickness than when both layers are the same thickness . . .

In other words, from what might be a surreal metaphysical perspective, the general strategy is to annoy sonic energy to such an extent that it loses its intrinsic ability to annoy you . . .

Admittedly, this is a rather unusual perspective, but (a) it is backed by factual acoustic physics and (b) it works wonderfully . . .

The only caveat to the strategy of using the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers is that they are so powerful that their volume levels must be kept low in small and medium size rooms, where the best strategy is to start with the volume levels for the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers amplifiers set very low and then to use a sound pressure level (SPL) meter to adjust everything so that it is impossible to increase the volume level above perhaps 95dB, which actually is too loud . . .

The strategy I use is to set the volume level of the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers amplifiers very low but to set the volume level of the computer and whatever playback devices to maximum, since the volume levels of the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers ultimately determine the overall volume level of the complete system . . .

Then, using the Nady SPL Meter I slowly increase the volume level of the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers amplifiers until the sound pressure level is in the range of 85dB to 95dB, and then everything is fine . . .

One might suppose that this occurs with typical commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) studio monitoring systems, but since they are smaller it is less likely to be dangerous, but with the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers, which are designed specifically for use as PA loudspeakers, there is a greater danger, hence the caveat that there needs to be a specific procedure to ensure that the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers never are set at too high a volume for smaller listening spaces, which basically includes every room smaller than approximately 24' by 24' by 12' (width, length, height), since the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers have the real potential to be a lot louder than most folks imagine, because their primary role is being PA loudspeakers, which curiously is what makes them stellar for small room studio monitors, provided you run them a very low volume levels, which among other things maps to the amplifiers having plenty of "headroom", which in turn maps to having sufficient available power for handling dynamics without clipping and distorting . . .

Explained another way, when you run the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers at "2" but something comes along that is twice as loud, it is not a problem for the power amplifiers temporarily to jump to "4" or "8", all without clipping and distorting, because "2", "4", and "8" all are less than "10", where "10" is the maximum . . .

In other words, if you run the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers at "10" and something comes along that is twice as loud, there is no "headroom", so instead of it being played accurately what happens is that it is clipped and distorted, which is a useful bit of information gleaned from the universe of audiophile systems, where the general strategy is to have massive power amplifiers but to run them at a very low volume level specifically so that there is a virtual festival of "headroom" available . . .

However, some of the audiophile stuff is a bit nutty, and while some folks enjoy listening to orchestral and symphonic music that has wide dynamic ranges from pianissimo ("ppp") to fortissimo possible ("fff"), I mostly consider it to be vastly annoying to such an extent that I run it through a compressor so that it always is at a reasonably constant loudness ranging from piano ("p") to forte ("f"), because when it is ppp I usually cannot hear it, so if I increase the volume of the ppp stuff so that I can hear it, when the fff stuff comes along it blasts my ears . . .

If it is important, then you need to be able to hear it, because otherwise there is no need for it, hence the best strategy when something is not needed is to remove it from the song entirely to make more space available for the stuff that is needed, which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous! :ugeek:

P. S. For those folks who might be thinking, "Gee whiz! Do the Behringer RTA step and get on with it!", the fact of the matter is that being able to hear everything completely and totally changes quite a few things, including (a) the way I orchestrate songs and (b) the way I use VST effects plug-ins, which became obvious when I did the experimental remix of "Feel Me" (The Surf Whammys) with the new Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers . . .

By virtue of having switched to doing nearly all the orchestration with music notation and IK Multimedia virtual instruments in NOTION 3 (Notion Music), the fact of the matter is that I can work through all the required changes primarily as a series of thought exercises, which is what I am doing, and redefining essentially everything takes a while . . .

And while it might appear that I am doing little more than twiddling my thumbs, the reality is that I am doing a lot of intense mentation, and over the years I have learned that it is best to allow myself to do the required mentation, since as a general rule it goes quicker when I let it happen naturally, which is what I am doing . . .

This is something that I realized soon after I started doing computer programming, and what tends to happen with less experienced computer programmers is that they get an assignment and immediately start writing code long before they have any idea what they actually are supposed to be doing . . .

In contrast, I think about it for a long time, and then once I understand everything I do the coding very quickly, which always works better . . .

So, while I might not appear to be physically busy, the fact of the matter is that I am doing a lot of vastly intense mentation, which is coming along nicely, especially since I realized recently the reason that the song "Miss You" (The Rolling Stones) has intrigued me for the past three or so decades, which specifically is because it is highly orthogonal . . .

Orthogonality (wikipedia)

Orthogonality is very important here in the sound isolation studio, and for reference ZZ Top is the most orthogonal three-piece musical group, while the Beatles were the most orthogonal four-piece musical group, where the key bit of information is that everyone is playing something distinctly different, yet it all fits together to create a Gestalt that is more than the sum of its individual parts, for sure . . .

For sure! :idea:
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Re: The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System Project

Postby Surf Whammy » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:50 pm

As a bit of an update, I was surfing the Songwriting section at the GuitarZone.com FORUM and noticed that Andy Mills posted a new song ("Own The Night") with a link to the Soundcloud recording, so I listened to the Soundcloud recording and quickly realized that it is a great song but needed some arranging, where the original pattern was AB-AB-C-DB (A = verse; B = chorus; C = bridge; and D = transition) and did not make so much sense in terms of maintaining momentum, so I did a screen and audio capture of the original version with Screenflow (Telestream), which has basic time line editing capabilities, and then did a bit of cutting, copying, and pasting in the style of 1950s and 1960s analog magnetic tape splicing, which produced the new structure pattern ABC-ABC-DB, which I think works better and makes more sense lyrically and musically . . .

This is the original version of the song that Andy posted to Soundcloud . . .

"Own The Night" (Andy Mills) -- Original Version -- Soundcloud

Screenflow (Telestream)

However, Screenflow is not so precise for editing audio, although I suppose that if I read the user manual it might be, so I did another screen and audio capture, followed by exporting only the audio in lossless AIFF format, which I then imported to a new project in Digital Performer 7.24 and assigned to a single stereo track, where I did precise edits, as well as a bit of post-production effects and mastering, although everything was done with only the spliced stereo track, which I suppose makes it a form of mastering, except that I did it in a Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) application rather than with the standalone version of T-RackS 3.5 Deluxe (IK Multimedia) . . .

Initially, I did the basic work when listening with headphones, since it is easier, but once everything was sounding nice with headphones, I got a bit of rest and then did a loudspeaker mix using the new Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers at an average sound pressure level (SPL) of 85dB, which I verified with the Nady SPL Meter . . .

[NOTE: Continuing to be a bit lazy, although not so much lazy as busy designing and building a new studio, I have not done the calibrating steps, but so what . . . ]

I also did a bit of enhancing with the BBE H82 Harmonic Maximizer (BBE Sound Inc.); added some echo with Timeless 2 (FabFilter Software Instruments); and polished the echo with CSR Classik Studio Reverb (IK Multimedia), as well as doing a bit of fine-tuning to the "Master #1" suite (a personal favorite) that I selected from T-RackS 3.5 Deluxe for the Master stereo output track, where the majority of the fine-tuning was focused on boosting the low frequencies and introducing a bit of vacuum-tube blur via the Opto-Compressor, Vintage Program Equalizer, and Brickwall Limiter, and I like the way the song sounds . . .

"Own The Night" (Andy Mills) -- Surf Whammy Loudspeaker Mix -- MP3 (7.2MB, 287-kbps [VBR], approximately 3 minutes and 20 seconds)

For reference, I worked on the headphone-only version for approximately 12 hours; took a nap; and then worked on the loudspeaker mix for another few hours, which is a lot of ear work, but I got a good night's sleep, and I like the way the loudspeaker mix sounds when I listen to it with headphones, so I am happy with the work, and judging by the way the loudspeaker mix sounds when I listen with headphones, then new studio monitor system is doing what I expect it to do, since the primary difference is that the song is more full-range tonally . . .

My general strategy is to listen to a song over and over for perhaps 50 to 100 hours over a week or two before I am completely and totally happy with everything, but I think that this new loudspeaker mix is good . . .

There is more detailed information on everything in the topic at the GuitarZone.com FORUM, which includes some information on the history of producers having a bit of FUN with analog magnetic tape splicing, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Shadow Morton, The Shangri-Las, George Martin, The Beatles, and so forth . . .

Andy Mills: My new song "Own The Night" (GuitarZone.com FORUM)

Considering that I spent quite a bit of time over the past two or so weeks supervising bulldozers, concrete trucks, and other heavy equipment, I think everything is working nicely, and this counts as a bit of progress toward the goal of perfecting The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitor System™, as well as being a bit of proof of concept verification, for sure . . .

And on a related note, I noticed that Musician's Friend has raised the price of the Kustom KPC15P 15" Powered PA Speakers from $129 (US) to $249 (US) each, so it now is better to get them as a pair, since price for a pair is $399 (US), which of course is just a curious coincidence and has nothing to do with my deciding to select these specific loudspeakers for The Fabulous Affordable Studio Monitoring System . . .

[NOTE: On the other hand, if the folks at Kustom release a version of these speakers that have an oiled walnut exterior finish, then my imagination might not be so wild in terms of the ability of a few thoughtful and scientifically accurate words to map to increased sales of a stellar and quite remarkable set of powered loudspeakers . . . ]

As best as I can determine, the work I did on Andy's song probably is in the general category of post-production enhancing and mastering, and this is the first time I have done anything like this, so I am not asserting that it is perfect or whatever, but I think it sounds better, and I like the new structure for the song, as does Andy . . .

Andy is a very good composer, lyricist, musician, and singer, and I like this song a lot . . .

If I were doing Artists and Repertoire work for a major label, I would offer Andy a recording contract, but this is not one of the things I do, so my focus is on providing a bit of help as best as I can, which is fabulous . . .

Fabulous! :D

P. S. If it does nothing else, this is an excellent example of the vast importance of T-RackS 3.5 Deluxe (IK Multimedia), as well as the BBE H82 Harmonic Maximizer (BBE Sound Inc.), CSR Classik Studio Reverb (IK Multimedia), Timeless 2 (FabFilter Software Instruments), and full-range loudspeaker mixing, for sure . . .

For sure! :ugeek:
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